Comments on: Sava - Open Source ColdFusion CMS http://www.webappers.com/2008/06/19/sava-open-source-coldfusion-cms/ - Hunting the Best Open Source Resources for Web Developers Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:13:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: Simon B http://www.webappers.com/2008/06/19/sava-open-source-coldfusion-cms/#comment-15667 Simon B Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:23:25 +0000 http://www.webappers.com/?p=1141#comment-15667 At the end of the day it is the quality of the final application that matters and not the choice of server side programming language used to develop it. As developers we should be concerned with whether the client and, more importantly, the end user are happy with the application? The server side programming language used to the develop it is of no interest to the end user and is rarely of interest to the client. I'm a big fan of Coldfusion, but I'm well aware that I could have used PHP or Ruby to develop exactly the same application. That said I am really impressed by Sava. At the end of the day it is the quality of the final application that matters and not the choice of server side programming language used to develop it.

As developers we should be concerned with whether the client and, more importantly, the end user are happy with the application? The server side programming language used to the develop it is of no interest to the end user and is rarely of interest to the client.

I’m a big fan of Coldfusion, but I’m well aware that I could have used PHP or Ruby to develop exactly the same application.

That said I am really impressed by Sava.

]]> By: Tony Garcia http://www.webappers.com/2008/06/19/sava-open-source-coldfusion-cms/#comment-14778 Tony Garcia Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:19:35 +0000 http://www.webappers.com/?p=1141#comment-14778 Metrics don't really say much about the actual quality of the product. Just because there are more Fords on the road, does that make it a better car than a BMW? In my opinion, the cost of the ColdFusion server is a main factor for its decline in use compared to high-quality open source solutions out there. However, most people who question the why ColdFusion is still being used have not taken a seriously close look at it lately. Hopefully, the realease of two open source CFML engines this year (Open Bluedragon and Railo), will encourage people to take a look without worrying about the cost. Metrics don’t really say much about the actual quality of the product. Just because there are more Fords on the road, does that make it a better car than a BMW? In my opinion, the cost of the ColdFusion server is a main factor for its decline in use compared to high-quality open source solutions out there. However, most people who question the why ColdFusion is still being used have not taken a seriously close look at it lately. Hopefully, the realease of two open source CFML engines this year (Open Bluedragon and Railo), will encourage people to take a look without worrying about the cost.

]]> By: Chris http://www.webappers.com/2008/06/19/sava-open-source-coldfusion-cms/#comment-10982 Chris Fri, 20 Jun 2008 21:08:30 +0000 http://www.webappers.com/?p=1141#comment-10982 Personal subjective opinions of dislike are all well-and-good, but let's settle this argument by using quantifiable metrics. Google trends isn't scientific, but it's a good place to start, so let's compare Coldfusion with relative newcomers like Django and Ruby on Rails: http://www.google.com/trends?q=coldfusion%2C+django%2C+ruby+on+rails&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0 Note I didn't compare CF outright with Python or Ruby because no one in their right mind would use CF as a general purpose programming language, and the rankings reflect that. If you want to see a more dramatic illustration Coldfusion's increasing unpopularity, you can adjust the trends to compare against jsp, asp.net, and php. Personal subjective opinions of dislike are all well-and-good, but let’s settle this argument by using quantifiable metrics. Google trends isn’t scientific, but it’s a good place to start, so let’s compare Coldfusion with relative newcomers like Django and Ruby on Rails:

http://www.google.com/trends?q=coldfusion%2C+django%2C+ruby+on+rails&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0

Note I didn’t compare CF outright with Python or Ruby because no one in their right mind would use CF as a general purpose programming language, and the rankings reflect that.

If you want to see a more dramatic illustration Coldfusion’s increasing unpopularity, you can adjust the trends to compare against jsp, asp.net, and php.

]]> By: John Skrotzki http://www.webappers.com/2008/06/19/sava-open-source-coldfusion-cms/#comment-10938 John Skrotzki Thu, 19 Jun 2008 21:53:25 +0000 http://www.webappers.com/?p=1141#comment-10938 Again, I stand by what I said. If you seriously think that coldfusion ( based on Java and in version 8 ) is a bad server/language/framework then you indeed don't have a clue about it. And you tone shows me how arrogant you really are. I am done with you - move on... Again, I stand by what I said. If you seriously think that coldfusion ( based on Java and in version 8 ) is a bad server/language/framework then you indeed don’t have a clue about it. And you tone shows me how arrogant you really are. I am done with you - move on…

]]> By: Gianni Chiappetta http://www.webappers.com/2008/06/19/sava-open-source-coldfusion-cms/#comment-10937 Gianni Chiappetta Thu, 19 Jun 2008 21:37:31 +0000 http://www.webappers.com/?p=1141#comment-10937 No, it was a joke. ColdFusion is by no means a good or smart application server/language/framework (?) to use, however large corporations seem to insist on using it. At this point we are right in the middle of the joke, because everyone knows ColdFusion is still being used but every knows how bad it is as well. The joke is quickly ended with an ellipsis which indicates that perhaps something is missing. Any other jokes you'd like me explain John? No, it was a joke. ColdFusion is by no means a good or smart application server/language/framework (?) to use, however large corporations seem to insist on using it. At this point we are right in the middle of the joke, because everyone knows ColdFusion is still being used but every knows how bad it is as well. The joke is quickly ended with an ellipsis which indicates that perhaps something is missing.

Any other jokes you’d like me explain John?

]]> By: John Skrotzki http://www.webappers.com/2008/06/19/sava-open-source-coldfusion-cms/#comment-10935 John Skrotzki Thu, 19 Jun 2008 21:20:03 +0000 http://www.webappers.com/?p=1141#comment-10935 seriously dude are you really that ignorant?? seriously dude are you really that ignorant??

]]> By: Gianni Chiappetta http://www.webappers.com/2008/06/19/sava-open-source-coldfusion-cms/#comment-10923 Gianni Chiappetta Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:09:14 +0000 http://www.webappers.com/?p=1141#comment-10923 Seriously, people are still going on about ColdFusion...? Seriously, people are still going on about ColdFusion…?

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